What 100 Episodes of Aging Out Loud Has Taught Host Katie Fogarty + ACA'S Second Birthday!
Show Snapshot:
Break out the bubbly! A Certain Age turns two AND drops the 100th episode. Come celebrate with host Katie Fogarty and a special co-host who grabs the mic to cover all things A Certain Age, midlife myth-busting, reinvention, getting your Golden Girl on, and finding support, growth, and friendship as we age. Plus, what Katie has learned from talking to 99 amazing women aged 40 to 75. Bonus—ACA party favors, birthday swag, and more!
In This Episode We Cover:
Hello world! A Certain Age now has listeners in over 107 countries, across 5K cities!
How recording show #100 differs from recording the very first show.
Why every podcast is an opportunity to learn something new.
Midlife pain points and what helps.
How midlife clarifies (and often simplifies) life.
Age myths — why and how to bust them.
What It means to #AgeOutLoud and why it matters.
Reinvention, relevancy, and the importance of being honest with ourselves.
Don’t “Ma’m” me, pickleball, and finding midlife friends.
What’s next for ACA in Year Three.
Quotable:
If we don’t start sharing our age and aging out loud, we’re never going to shift this cultural conversation about what it means to move into our 40s, 50s, 60s, and beyond. Aging does not make you irrelevant.
Transcript:
Katie Fogarty [0:29]:
Welcome to A Certain Age, a show for women who are unafraid to age out loud. Today, we have a very special episode of A Certain Age, it’s our 2nd anniversary and it is also... drumroll please... our 100th show! And since we’re all about aging out loud, you know we could not resist the chance to give this birthday a big, noisy shout-out.
I want to thank you for showing up every Monday and making A Certain Age part of your week. You are showing up and showing out. A Certain Age now has downloads in 100 countries, across 5,024 cities. That’s right, you are tuning in from San Fran to San Paolo and I could not be happier. Midlife, like all of life, is more fun with friends. Thank you so much for being a friend of the show. And I also keep getting notifications that we are charting in Malta. Malta, thank you. And Malta, please DM me, I have a party favor I want to pop in the mail. I also have fun party favors for the rest of you, along with amazing giveaways from ACA guests; we have books from authors and some fantastic products to put in the mail because we are Generation Still Appreciates Snail Mail. Head to the ACA Instagram at ACertainAgePod.com to learn more.
Now, onto the birthday show. We have a switch in show format. A former guest is cohosting the show along with me and I am in the hot seat. Please welcome back to ACA, author, podcaster, and convenor of women, Nina Collins. Nina is the founder of the digital platform, The Woolfer and she is the Chief Content Officer at Revel, a nationwide events and community platform for women 40 plus. She is also the author of The Midlife Manual: What Would Virginia Woolf Do? And Other Questions I Ask Myself as I Attempt to Age Without Apology. Nina is reimagining midlife and she’s bringing other women along with her. I’m thrilled she is here today to take the hosting reigns. Welcome, Nina.
Nina Collins [2:35]:
Thank you so much, Katie. I’m so glad to be here. I adore you; I’ve loved getting to know you in the last couple of years and congratulations, 100 episodes is big!
Katie [2:43]:
It is big! I didn’t realize I would get here on Day One, but I love podcasting and I’m thrilled to be here I’m excited that you’re joining me for this special show.
Nina [2:55]:
Yeah, you probably didn’t know what you were getting into. How does it feel 100 episodes in, is it different?
Katie [3:00]:
You know, it is different. I’m still so excited every week to connect with women, I’m amazed that I get to do this. When I launched the podcast, I gave myself kind of a deadline. I said to myself, let’s get to 12 episodes and see how you feel. By episode 6, I loved it. I felt like I was enjoying myself every time I started a show, and connected with a guest. And I don’t know, I still feel that sense of excitement, I still feel that sense of, what’s this conversation going to hold? What am I going to learn? What am I going to help my audience learn? I’m still enjoying it 100 episodes later.
Nina [3:47]:
So, you’re really growing with it, that’s amazing. So, I want to start with a difficult-ish question. Which is, I’m wondering what you’ve learned about the midlife pain points? What are the things that you think are most difficult for your audience, and how has it helped you in your own life?
Katie [4:04]:
You know, I think based on the downloads of shows and the DMs that I get, or the feedback I receive from guests, midlife pain points are about caring for our body, caring for our overall health, our vaginal health, our mental health. All the doctor shows really perform well; people are looking for information and resources to navigate these changes that we’re experiencing.
A recent show actually that did very, very well in terms of downloads and feedback was when I had on Dacy Gillespie of The Mindful Closet. She did a show on kind of, editing your wardrobe, dressing for changing midlife bodies, and just sort of living a more edited, minimal life. I think that women are looking for ways to feel great about themselves, to feel healthy and fit, and get reacquainted with their changing midlife body. I also think they’re looking for ways to simplify and focus on... really prioritize simplification in their lives and making room for new things. I don’t know if that’s midlife or if it’s the pandemic, or if it’s a combination of both.
Nina [5:23]:
I think it’s both. I think there is more clarification as you get older about what you want, and yeah, simplifying makes total sense to me. I’m wondering if that guest talked about the idea of a midlife uniform. That’s something that’s come up a lot in our community; does your closet get just simpler, like you know what works, and do you want to be more contained about it?
Katie [5:46]:
Yeah absolutely. she did focus on that. She basically said, is your closet for you or your past life? And I think that’s a great question to apply to anything in your life. Is my fitness routine for me today or for when I was 20? Is my friend group, my circle, the people in my life, my career? You know, am I hanging onto things that no longer serve me?
Nina [6:13]:
So funny you say that. I trained as a coach a bunch of years ago and I don’t actively coach in my life, but some of the things I learned really helped me. One of my favorite questions from that program was asking yourself, how does this serve me? I think it’s an excellent question. When we’re behaving badly or being not our highest selves, or just doing things all the time... How is this serving me? Is this working for me right now? is a great question. I’ll check out that episode, The Mindful Closet. There’s a woman I once interviewed, The Afrominimalist, she’s also great, you should check her out.
Katie [6:43]:
Ooo! Yeah, I will, I love that. We can come back to this topic, definitely.
Nina [6:49]:
Yeah, it’s a good one.
So, when you started this podcast, what were you struggling with? I’m kind of curious to know how this show... have there been any big surprises or things that you personally have really learned and taken away with you on your own private journey?
Katie [7:05]:
I love this question because I think about it often. I launched the show kind of in the height of the pandemic when I felt disconnected and a little bit isolated. Even though I was living at home with every single person I’m related to and gave birth to. [both laugh] I was in a very crowded house, but I was feeling that I was missing being in the company of women. I have a big circle of friends in my life, and I’ve deliberately cultivated that, across different chapters of my life, I get energized from being with other women and being in a room full of women and that was missing, and I was sick of being in Zoom rooms with people. I really just wanted to connect with people, connect with women and I needed a creative outlet.
So, I launched it to do that, and this podcast has been all that and more. I have absolutely loved everyone I’ve connected to, the community that’s being built around it. So, it definitely checks that box. What I did not anticipate was how much I was going to learn about my own body and how, you know, this sort of, how I could care for it in ways that... I didn’t know what I didn’t know.
Nina [8:18]:
You didn’t know what you didn’t know, which is so true. That’s so much of menopause. I mean I think for most of us, it’s become very common, we now really understand that for most women there’s these three or four years often where you’re like, what is happening to my body? It’s a big learning curve, there’s a lot to figure out on how to navigate this phase. It’s all doable but there are a lot of questions.
Katie [8:40]:
Totally! Full stop, help is out there. Whatever you’re suffering from: bladder incontinence, painful sex, low libido, brain fog, sleep issues, there’s definitely help out there. I’ve done a number of shows on that, I know that you’ve done a number of shows of that on your own podcast.
What I’ve also found when I look back and kind of take a big picture view of what I’ve learned over these last two years, over these last 100 episodes, I really feel that pop culture gave me a bunch of age myths that I totally bought into. I bought into the idea that aging means your body falls apart and that, you know, decrepitude is inevitable and it’s not. I’ve learned that from Dr. Vonda Wright came on the show and said that you can build muscle up into your 70s, and you can remain fit and active into your late 70s. I mean, she’s a doctor of sports medicine and orthopedic surgeon, but she’s also as academic researcher, she’s done academic work and research looking at aging Olympians, the senior Olympians. So, you can remain fit and that is a myth.
Nina [9:53]:
Absolutely. I just saw a picture in The Times the other day and Liz Holtzman is running for Congress, she’s 80 and she was kayaking. I was very impressed.
Katie [10:01]:
It’s totally amazing. All right, we have to take a quick commercial break right now, I’m keeping an eye on that for you even though you’re the host. But when we come back, I want to talk a little bit more about these myths about aging. We’ll be back right after this.
[Ad Break]
Katie [11:30]:
Okay Nina, we’re back from the break. I love that you shared that you saw Liz Holtzman kayaking; we can do we can be active and fit in our 70s, 80s and beyond, really. That was one of the myths I think that I was busted by creating this show: you don’t have to fall apart.
I think another myth is that sometimes that if you’re in a long-term relationship that love fades. I had Dr. Helen Fisher come on this show, she is an expert in sex, she is affiliated with The Kinsey Institute, she talks about the scientific research that she did that by putting long term couples into MRIs and watching their brain scans, that their brains still light up when they see pictures of one another, that sexual attraction doesn’t diminish... necessarily. It can, and you might need to reinvent your relationships, but you know, I’m in a long-term relationship and sometimes pop culture is telling me like, it’s going to end at some point, and I’ve seen that that doesn’t necessarily have to happen. It was so great to hear that. All the shows I’ve done on sex and midlife intimacy have been so... they connect with the audience. They performed so well.
Nina [12:49]:
As you say, it’s such a myth that older women don’t want sex, and we’re not sexually active, and we dry up. Of course, we know all that to be untrue.
Katie [12:59]:
It’s total BS! But because pop culture is telling you you’re not desirable, sometimes we internalize these messages. I have seen and I have talked to I’ve connected to experts who share that women in midlife are still interested in sex, we’re having a lot of it, we are sensual and passionate and if we sort of myth bust around that, it allows us to, I don’t know... just to give ourselves permission to continue being all the things that we are when I think cultural messaging sometimes can make you feel diminished.
Nina [13:34]:
Well, I think one of the incredibly important things about a show like yours and conversations... women having community to talk about these things is it makes women realize they’re normal. I think vaginal dryness for example, very, very common symptom of menopause, very deal-able but a lot of people are embarrassed about it. So, you’re helping bring these topics to the forefront which is so important.
I want to ask you about your tagline, Age Out Loud. What does that mean to you?
Katie [14:02]:
Age out loud is something, it’s really become sort of a personal mantra and a little bit of a mission. I don’t want to make it seem too grandiose. But I honestly believe that if we don’t start sharing our age and aging out loud, we’re never going to shift this cultural conversation about what it means to move into our 40s, 50s, 60s, and beyond. Aging does not make you irrelevant.
The reason why I care about this so deeply is that my day job is helping mostly senior executives, business owners, share their professional stories using LinkedIn and other platforms and I talk to such deeply experienced, incredible people all the time who do not want to let people know how old they are. There’s a lot of agism in the corporate world, it’s terrible! And people really, they want to drop dates off their resumes, knock jobs off their LinkedIn, they want to present as being younger. And I honestly, truly, deeply believe that if we’re not willing to start to age out loud culturally, this conversation is never going to shift.
There has been, just sort of historically, generationally, a reluctance to say your age. I don’t know if I ever shared this on the podcast, but I wrote an article about it. I had a great friend, we were at her 54th birthday dinner and she shared that she had discovered her mom’s passport when she was helping her clean out her desk and she realized at the age of 54, her mom had been lying about her age her whole life.
Nina [15:42]:
That is so hilarious. [laughs]
Katie [15:43]:
And had knocked 10 years off her life, and she was like, “Can you imagine? My entire life, I thought my mom was 10 years younger than my dad.” But her mom was raised in a generation where ladies didn’t talk about your weight or your age or other things and...
Nina [16:00]:
That is really funny. I’m turning 53 next week, and I’m trying to imagine, what if I started saying I was 43? [laughs]
Katie [16:06]:
Well, happy birthday! Another year fabulous. No, I mean, I get it.
Nina [16:12]:
So, I completely agree with you, and I see this a lot, particularly in LA, a lot of people I know on the west coast... I always ask people their age on my podcast or wherever, I always say my age, and people in LA really don’t like... women who work in the film business do not like to say their age, not just actresses but anyone, screenwriters, all the rest. There’s real agism in that industry.
Katie [16:35]:
There’s ageism in every industry. I mean, I hear this from people who work in tech because tech can be young.
Nina [16:39]:
Oh, for sure! Everywhere. I mean, this relevance issue is important like, yes of course we’re never irrelevant. And then on the other hand, I do sometimes feel... like, now at 53, and I love being 53, it’s the best, my 50s are definitely my best decade so far. But there are times like if I read you know, pop culture magazines like People and I don’t know who any of the people are, or with tech, there are so many new companies. I do sometimes feel irrelevant in a way that I actually don’t mind that much. Do you never feel that way?
Katie [17:17]:
Oh, of course. No, no, no. I think that my willingness to age out loud and my desire to encourage other women to do it, I want Team Age Out Loud to be part of our movement,t but that doesn’t mean that I’m not... I’m at a phase in life where I don’t want to be up on every YouTube star and I’m okay with that. I’ve had those moments where the doctor walks into the exam room and I’m like, oh my god it’s Doogie Howser, this person is so young! [both laugh]
Nina [17:44]:
Or when you get pulled over by a police officer is the funniest. They literally are like 12 years old.
Katie [17:51]:
Right, and then they’re like, ma’am-ing you and you’re like, "Don’t Ma’am me” because for whatever reason that makes me feel old. By the way, I used that Doogie Howser reference to my son the other day because I was telling him this experience [Nina laughs] and he looked at me blankly and he was like, “I don’t even get your reference. You’re so old.”
So, of course, there are times when we feel a little out of step, but you know, getting back to this notion of remaining relevant, I honestly think that when we want to remain relevant, how we show up in our careers, our relationships, our communities, we have to also be honest with ourselves. Are we reskilling in our careers? Are we making sure that we’re marketable? You don’t get to just coast along on being experienced, you have to remain connected to the way, the new work tools, the new workflow tools and technology, and ways of communicating. We really have to...
Nina [18:49]:
I mean, absolutely. reinvention is a huge issue at our age. So many of your guests, so many of my guests, are on their second, third, fourth, and fifth acts. I’m on my... I don’t know what act. I definitely have a few careers behind me. That is part of continually getting older and learning new things. I remember being so proud of myself when I learned Mailchimp, [both laugh] I was like, this is so exciting!
Katie [19:11]:
It is so exciting!
Nina [19:12]:
So, I hear you. Aging out loud, I mean, I guess the way I interpret it and I totally relate to it, is just, be proud of where you are. I think one of the things that really motivated me to create the community I did was this idea of shame, of eradicating shame. Why should women feel ashamed of getting older? Men don’t seem to feel that way. So, that’s something I feel very strongly about, that we should be able to...
Katie [19:40]:
And you’ve created community around that, Nina. What do you hear from Revel? I’ve had the pleasure of doing some Revel events. It’s a wonderful way to get connected to women with experience, women in our demographic. I know yours sort of swings from 40 to probably 60s and beyond. What are you hearing from the Revel community about this topic?
Nina [20:02]:
Oh, everything we’re talking about. I think Revel is a place... I think our main idea is it’s a place where women can really reignite, find passion, figure out what they want to talk about, share, and learn. It’s a place for growth, support, and friendship. The women are just incredible, basically.
Even though I work at Revel, and I founded The Woolfer, which was absorbed by Revel, so I work there, but I also use it, I am a Reveler, and I have events all the time. I use it for... I go to art galleries with women. I go hiking with women. And every time I go to events, or I host an online event, I do a documentary club online, I can't believe how incredibly smart, curious, resourceful, and resilient the women are. For me, it’s just endlessly inspiring. A lot of what you’ve talked about by having these guests on... I think the community of women around us is so essential. I feel sorry for men who don’t have as much of that as we do. And I always learn from women who are ahead of me... like, how old are you? You’re 52, I think?
Katie [21:13]:
I’m 52. Yeah, I’ll be 53 in September, so another month.
Nina [21:17]:
We’re exactly the same age. Yeah, I mean I feel like I don’t know what I would do without this community. I started it when I was 46, and now, I just look at the women who are ahead of me, the women in their 60s, 70s, and 80s. I interviewed an amazing kind of legendary editor the other day named Jane Isay, who has written books on siblings and managing adult children, and she was so smart. I can’t tell you how helpful it was to learn from this woman in her 80s. My mom is dead, she died when I was a teenager, so for me, I think in many ways, I created the community to have kind of, mothers and sisters around me.
So yeah, I think we grapple with all these issues all the time around irrelevancy and our bodies and it’s kind of all... I mean, you and I are very much in the same boat. Knowledge is power. We have to be able to talk about things, we have to be able to get the information we need, and we want to live our best lives. We want to age out loud as you say, age boldly.
Katie [22:18]:
Absolutely. And I love this idea... I’m going to look up Jane Isay after the show because I’m intrigued by what you shared because I have kids that are... I have a 15-year-old, I just dropped him at camp, he’s 15, and I had to help him pack his camp trunk. But I also have a 22-year-old who is very much becoming her own independent person and relies less on me, and I need to figure out how to remain connected and guide her, and it’s just sort of a different level of parenting.
Nina [22:47]:
it is a totally new world, parenting kids in their 20s. I actually run a support group on Revel called Moms of “Adult” Children. It’s been a godsend for me because all my kids are in their 20s. Yeah, you should definitely interview Jane Isay. She wrote a book called Stop Walking On Eggshells, and basically her number one piece of advice is: Stop giving advice to kids in their 20s. [Katie laughs] Basically, “Shut up” is really good advice.
Katie [23:14]:
I love that. Walking on Eggshells, what a great title, because that is part of it. But this notion of, you just shared, almost like having an age mentor jogged a memory. I had Dr. Juliana Hauser come on this show, I know you, and I were on a panel with her.
Nina [23:29]:
Oh, I love Julianna!
Katie [23:31]:
I had the pleasure of moderating a panel that you were on, and she was on, and she is, you know, a certified marriage therapist but really more of a sexpert and a relationship expert, and she shared this notion about finding an age mentor where you find somebody ahead of you as a guide for vibrant aging. We’re so conditioned to think of career mentors, but this notion of looking at women who are a little ahead of you chronologically and using them as a road map for what’s possible in your second, third, fourth, and fifth act.
Nina [24:06]:
It is really helpful. And for all the things you mentioned, strength building, for everything, how to take care of your body, relationship modeling, yeah. I think it’s extremely important to be able to look at women ahead of you and be able to ask them questions. It’s been life-changing for me.
Katie [24:24]:
Absolutely.
Nina [24:24]:
So before we go to the speed round, I want to ask you one last question, which is, what’s next for your podcast? What will happen in year 3?
Katie [24:32]:
I am going to continue talking to fantastic women who are experts in helping women thrive in midlife. That’s my number one. But I’m also trying to share content in different ways. I’ve been doing.... I launched a couple of months ago LinkedIn Lives. I’ll be doing more LinkedIn Lives in September, and that’s more of a focus on content that’s about reinventing your career or perhaps aging or pivoting in a workplace, entrepreneurship, really more kind of career growth-focused.
I’m going to continue doing Instagram Lives with authors, which I love. I love connecting with authors, I could talk to an author every single Monday, but I want to create room for other voices. So, I’m doing those Book Looks on Instagram Live, and I am in the process of trying to write my own book. I have learned from guests on the show like Lisa McCarthy, who came on and said, you need to have accountability partners and declare what you’re up to so that people hold you accountable. I’m hoping the A Certain Age listeners will hold me accountable and, in 6 months or so, ask me, where’s your book? [laughs]
Nina [25:45]:
That’s good.
Katie [25:45]:
So, I’m working on that. I have so many topics that I’d love to explore that even though I’m doing this show every Monday, there’s just not enough room for covering all that I’d love to do.
And very, very short term, I’m going to say that I’m going to spend August doing some memory-making. I had a wonderful guest that came on the show, Elise Museles, and she shared that she gives herself a different theme every month, and I took that on for myself. It can be very small changes. I started in January by focusing on getting more water, and then I worked on getting better sleep in February, and I’ve moved through different things. In April, I was focusing on not having as much wine in my life. I had a great guest who came on, she is a recovery coach, and she made me think a little bit more about how often I’m using alcohol, so I did some moderation, and I try to incorporate that. But my August is going to be about memory-making and having fun.
Nina [26:48]:
That’s so great. I love having a theme every month. It’s very disciplined, and I also just love how much curiosity you have, which is wonderful. Having so many interests, you sound really excited, so I’m thrilled for you.
Katie [27:00]:
Yeah, thank you. I will be hiking in Acadia, my first memory for August. [laughs]
Nina [27:05]:
That’s totally a goal of mine, hiking in Acadia. Good for you.
Katie [27:09]:
We have to be intentional about how we spend our time. As we know, we’re in our 40s, 50s, 60s, and beyond, and we need to bring intention about how we’re spending our days.
Nina [27:21]:
You know what I’m doing? I just booked an entire month in Europe in October.
Katie [27:25]:
Okay, that is GOALS! Oh my gosh.
Nina [27:29]:
My boyfriend’s youngest child is just leaving for college next week, I’m already an empty nester, we work remotely, and we were like, okay, let’s just go rent Airbnbs in Europe and spend the entire month there. I can't believe it. I’m so excited.
Katie [27:42]:
That’s going on my bucket list. Enjoy that, amazing.
Nina [27:46]:
Goals. All right, so speed round. My superpower in the podcasting booth is: _____.
Katie [27:53]:
Listening.
Nina [27:55]:
My superpower at home is: _____.
Katie [27:59]:
Enthusiasm/maybe delegating.
Nina [28:04]:
Okay. If I never have to talk about this midlife topic again, I’d be thrilled: _____.
Katie [28:09]:
Retirement.
Nina [28:11]:
Oh, that’s interesting!
Katie [28:11]:
[laughs] I don’t want to retire, and I’m also scared that I can't.
Nina [28:18]:
That is so interesting. We just published a piece on “5 Things I’ve Learned in Retirement” that was very, very popular, and it was surprisingly... maybe not surprisingly, but super positive. So, I might push you to think about that a little more. There are good things about retiring I think, for certain people.
Katie [28:33]:
Yes.
Nina [28:34]:
I could talk about this midlife topic all day long: _____.
Katie [28:37]:
Dry vaginas.
Nina [28:39]:
[laughs] Very sexy.
Katie [28:42]:
No, I know! I am on a mission to make sure that no woman has one.
Nina [28:46]:
I totally agree with you, I’m a huge fan of coconut oil and HRT, but coconut oil I use two or three times a day on my vagina, and it’s awesome so, big fan.
Katie [28:56]:
Nice.
Nina [28:58]:
Favorite hack to fuel midlife health and well-being: _____.
Katie [29:02]:
Bikram yoga.
Nina [29:04]:
Yeah, that’s a good one. I thought you might say water, drink more water. I think we’re all dehydrated. But Bikram is an excellent answer. Best stress buster: _____.
Katie [29:13]:
I just said Bikram yoga, so I’m going to go with bedtime reading.
Nina [29:20]:
That’s nice. On weekends, you will find me: _____.
Katie [29:25]:
Reading... and right now, I’m playing pickleball. Sometimes it’s hard to admit that because I feel like a Golden Girl, but I’m very into it.
Nina [29:34]:
I’m playing it too! I’m in a tournament this weekend actually. I’m loving pickleball.
Katie [29:38]:
Oh my gosh, let’s play! I’m a big pickleball nerd all of a sudden, so I would love that.
Nina [29:44]:
Me too. I was thinking about doing a Revel pickleball clinic.
Katie [29:48]:
I am coming! I am coming.
Nina [29:51]:
Wouldn’t that be so much fun?
Katie [29:51]:
Yes!
Nina [29:53]:
Except now I have all these plans like I’m going to Europe in October [laughs], so how long could I play pickleball... I know too many exciting things to do. Finally, your one-word answer to this question: As I age, I feel _____.
Katie [30:05]:
Limitless.
Nina [30:07]:
Oh, that’s so good! Mine was powerful. I’m answering them as you are. But limitless and powerful, awesome.
Katie [30:12]:
Let’s do it. That’s the one-two punch. Let’s do it. Let’s both be limitless and powerful. I love it.
Nina [30:18]:
Limitless and powerful, exactly. Well, this was great, Katie, I love talking to you. I’m very, very happy for you. I think your podcast is amazing. You’re doing amazing things. I’m excited for the coming years, as we’re going to get old together.
Katie [30:30]:
We’re going to play pickleball, right? [laughs] I love it. Nina, thank you so much for coming on and sharing yourself and cohosting and asking such smart, thoughtful questions. I loved this conversation.
Nina [30:44]:
Lots of fun. Well, enjoy Maine, and happy anniversary.
Katie [30:48]:
Thank you, Nina. This wraps A Certain Age, a show for women over 50 who are aging without apology. Don’t forget to join me over on Instagram for party favors all week long. We’re giving away books, treats, and A Certain Age swag. So, stop by @ACertainAgePod for your party favor.
I want to close by thanking everyone who has helped play a role in making A Certain Age. Dave Goldberg of Digital Waterworks for audio production and editing; Aveline Malek, who creates the show transcripts; Michael Mancini, who composed and produced our theme music. And special thanks to each of the amazing women who have come on this show as guests to share their stories, smarts, and sparkle. Thank you to Nina Collins for joining me today. I am so proud to be aging out loud with all of you.
See you next time, and until then: age boldly, beauties.