Why Gen X Has No Plans to Age Quietly with Margit Detweiler of TueNight

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May 9

Transcript

Katie Fogarty [0:22]:

Welcome to A Certain Age, a show for women who are unafraid to age out loud. You are more than likely tuning into A Certain Age because you are a woman in midlife, or you’re a Gen X-er, or you’re Gen X-adjacent… or you’re my mom. Hi mom. Whatever your age, you’re joining me each week from across 91 countries and more than 4,000 cities because you are a woman who is energized by hearing the stories of other women, what makes them tick, and how they are navigating the ups and downs of midlife. Which is why I am so delighted to introduce you to today’s guest, a woman with her finger on the pulse of midlife, Margit Detweiler.

Margit is the founder and editor and chief of TueNight, a platform and community for Gen X storytelling, pop culture need to knows, a fun, dishy, weekly newsletter, and a community for “grown-ass women”. Of course, I like to think of her as the reason I open my email every Tuesday. Welcome, Margit.

Margit Detweiler [1:20]:

That is so kind Katie [Katie laughs] Thank you so much. So good to be here, I love it.

Katie [1:25]:

Yeah, no I’m telling you, you’re my Tuesday reason I open my email. On Monday I open it because I get Brooke Hammerling’s, Pop Culture Mondays. I love having a reason to be excited about email a couple of days of the week and you are definitely it. So, thank you so much for joining us.

Margit [1:45]:
Well, I’m thrilled to be here and of course, this is a topic near and dear to me so… really excited.

Katie [1:49]:
Absolutely. You’ve had a long career in this type of content. You were at Real Simple, you were at Everyday Health, you were at AOL. But this is a little bit of a departure because it’s Gen X and midlife focused. Why and when did you decide to launch TueNight?

Margit [2:05]:
Yeah, it’s a great question. I was working… So, I also do Gyrate Media which is consulting for brands and publishers on content strategy and storytelling. I was doing that, and I still do it and I love it. But I was feeling like, you know what… I remember the distinct moment, I was at an agency helping them with a project and I kind of looked around, I was mid-forties, and I was like, “Gosh, I suddenly feel a little different, I feel a little older.” And I wasn’t seeing sort of, my stories and like, the people that I was interacting with put me in this new category suddenly, as older and maybe wasn’t so with it, and all these other things.

Yes, I was starting to look a little different, a little older and all these things kind of coalesced. I was like, I’m not really reading these stories of people who are like myself or like my friends who are in midlife. But our midlife is so different than our parents’ midlife, right? We’re not like in the twin sweater sets, we’re not golfing, we’re not doing these things that… I don’t know, you think of retirement, you think of all these things, you have pre-conceived notions. And so, anyway, I was like, “There’s a gap here, let’s start telling these stories.” So, I decided, kind of as a side project at the time, to start TueNight.

Katie [3:34]:
Yeah, and it’s really grown. I shared in my intro that I love your weekly newsletter, but you are more than that. You offer programming, you offer community. Can you give our listeners… Many people listening to this show may know you, but for those meeting you here for the first time can you give us a topline overview of what TueNight offers?

Margit [3:54]:
Absolutely. Yeah, as you mentioned, we started with storytelling and we now include a community and we actually just relaunched our community into our Substack space, which is called The TueNight Social, so you can find that on Substack, or it’s just tuenight.substack.com. We also do live events, we do live storytelling events, those are roughly seasonal at this point, and then we do one-on-one conversations and those are also part of our TueNight Social overview where we have authors and experts kind of who are in the world of midlife… We just actually had a great conversation about friendship from a book about friendships in midlife and breaking up with friends which is one of those weird topics that I think is so us. In midlife, you accumulate all these friendships and you just kind of start to go, especially in the pandemic you start to go, is everyone worth spending my time when we’re so busy?

Katie [5:03]:
Exactly, like who am I willing to stand within five feet of? [both laugh]

Margit [5:07]:

Yeah exactly. Or whose name when I see them on my phone, I don’t freak out about? [Katie laughs] So, it’s stuff like that where it’s, you know, these intrinsically midlife or Gen X kinds of things that we like to talk about.

Katie [5:22]:
Yeah and all of your… not all but much of your content lives on your website, is that correct? Even the friendship article that you mentioned, you wrote a piece and I saw it over on your website. So, people can head to, is it tuenight.com to find…?

Margit [5:36]:
Yeah, probably the easiest thing. Most of our storytelling is on tuenight.com, it’s free, and it’s open to the public. We, as I said, you can also get to our TueNight Social from there, that’s our paid subscription community. And you can also join, and we really hope you do because I feel like the most important thing is for these conversations to happen. So, I would just love to see more people having these conversations. So yeah, tuenight.com.

Katie [6:10]:
Absolutely. You really cover a range of topics. I was on your website in preparation for this. Obviously, menopause is getting covered, that’s a given. But you talk about things ranging from the gender pay gap to press-on nails, moving to Paris, which I loved. I’m like, “Moving to Paris? I’m reading that one,"; ovarian cancer, it really truly runs the gamut, just the experiences that we have run the gamut. Is there a topic that you have found resonates again and again no matter how many times you cover it, that keeps getting clicks and hits?

Margit [6:41]:
One thousand percent and it’s caregiving. We did a little bit of… We’ve done a few different surveys of our community and sort of asked what is important to them and when I kind of restarted the community, it was something we talked about a lot and time and again, people said, “I’m dealing with aging parents,” or, “I’m dealing with my kids,” or sometimes they’re in the sandwich generation where they’ve got kids and parents to manage at the same time. But I think more often as… I’m 54 and as we get older, kids are maybe going off to college, or you know, you don’t have kids necessarily, but I think it’s a lot with our parents. You know, we’re really exploring… There are so many more options for our parents that I think whether it’s how we’re caring for them later in life and how to manage that and navigate it, or illness… It’s a bit of a dark topic, it can be. But we try to hear how people are doing it, listen to the stories that people have. There can be so much comfort in that, in sharing our stories about it. That’s definitely something that we’ve heard a lot about from our community.

Katie [7:58]:
You know, I’m not surprised at all. I did a quick poll of my listeners over on Instagram and I said, “I’m creating spring topics, what do you want to talk about?” And caregiving came up as one of them and I’m really excited, I have somebody coming on to talk about managing the sandwich generation and she’ll be on, I believe at the end of May or the beginning of June, so I’m really excited to explore that. So, I’m not surprised to hear that that’s a topic that really resonates. Because I think even if you don’t have aging parents, some people might be lucky enough to have grandparents, or you have aging aunts or uncles or people that you care for in your family. Or even in this more modern world that we’re living in, where we have friends that are like family, that age and you know, that we really need to be able to step up.

So, what’s been a surprising thing to you, that people really care about?

Margit [8:48]:
Huh… [laughs]

Katie [8:50]:
Are you ever like, “Wow, I can't believe people…”

Margit [8:56]:
I think… I think you know, Gen X-ers which is most of our community, I don’t know if this is surprising but it’s almost like an endlessly fascinating topic for us, which is nostalgia. We love our – especially my audience – we love our pop culture. We love our, “Oh my god, do you remember The Love Boat?” [laughs]

Katie [9:23]:
Totally! That’s the reason why I babysat. My parents didn’t let me watch TV, I’m not even making this up. My mom was an anti-TV person, and I’m like, “I’ve got a good idea: I am getting myself hired, to be paid money to watch The Love Boat in somebody else’s living room.” [both laugh]

Margit [9:38]:

Exactly, so it’s kind of the thing that keeps on giving. I think any time we post something… Because it’s a little bit of our shared language and shared history. A lot of us were latchkey kids and left to our own devices, or we were figuring out that we could go babysit, and that way we could see what we wanted to see.

Katie [10:02]:
Oh my gosh, you’ve totally jogged a memory. Because my mom returned to work, I think when I was probably 12, or 13, 14. Anyhow, she used to come in, this was back in the cable box days, she would come in and the first thing she would do before she would say hello to any one of her four children, she would go put her hand on the cable box to feel if it was warm because then she knew…

Margit [10:22]:
Ohh my gosh.

Katie [10:22]:
No, I’m not even kidding, she knew we’d snapped off Little House on the Prairie right before she’d walked in the door. [laughs]

Margit [10:28]:
Oh my gosh, wow.

Katie [10:30]:
it is so funny. Oh my gosh.

Margit [10:33]:
Wow, that’s amazing.

Katie [10:33]:
Yeah. I love this nostalgia thing; I can see why that’s so fun because you’ve just jogged all these wonderful memories for me. And of course, when you spend time on your site and you get these nostalgia prompts too, it’s super fun. We’re going to be heading into a break in a minute and when we come back, I want to hear a little bit about your partnership with the AARP because that caught my eye on the website. So, let’s talk about that after this quick break.

[Ad break]

Katie [12:21]:
Okay Margit, we’re back. Nostalgia is popular. You’re also doing a lot of content with the AARP and I want to hear more about that.

Margit [12:28]:
Yeah, we’ve done a couple of different kinds of sponsored promotions and like… We did one that was really – I hesitated to say sponsored, because yeah, it’s sponsored but it’s something that we kind of co-created called "Next for X," and it was really about the future of aging, sort of, how are we aging differently than previous generations and what can we expect and anticipate? A lot of what we talk about is the changing face of retirement, a lot of people are talking about co-habitation now, maybe people aren’t in a significant relationship, and they want to buddy up with their best girlfriends and they’re planning for that. We’re kind of a little bit of a crystal ball into the future and thinking about how our lives could be different.

So, that has been really fun to do. Really the relationship that we have has been one of, how can we co-create content that matters to both of our audiences. Because obviously, AARP is certainly targeting younger and younger generations. Gen X is their sweet spot right now, but millennials are coming up fast so they’re looking at them as well. So, you know, it’s interesting to think about.

Katie [13:57]:

So, what is next for X? What has been revealed to you? What have you learned about how we might be aging differently from our parents? I’m curious.

Margit [14:04]:
It’s kind of exciting because like I said, there are new options for how we age. I think architecture is also interesting. My husband is actually an architect so that was one subject that was sort of near and dear to me and how homes are being outfitted or built in such a way that is sustainable for the long term, as you age. Thinking about things, homes can have some of those accessibility aspects to them. Even when you’re maybe not, you don’t necessarily have any particular needs in the moment, but thinking about building, you know, in a way that makes sense for an aging population. So, that was really surprising and interesting to me personally. Yeah, so it’s things like that that are really shifting, especially as I mentioned, we have an aging population and people are living longer so a lot of things have to change.

Katie [15:12]:
We have, I think I’ve shared this statistic a couple of times on different shows, but you know, for the first time in U.S. history, we’re on track to have more people over the age of 65 than under the age of 18 and we’re living on average, 30 years longer than our great grandparents did which is kind of astonishing.

Margit [15:32]:
Another thing, you just sort of jogged my memory, it’s not just like second career, you know, where it’s like, "What’s your part two?” It’s like career three, and four, because we’re living longer, we’re thinking about people are writing novels in their eighties. There’s so much more happening and so much more to think about as we age and the possibilities. So, it’s really interesting.

Katie [16:01]:
It’s exciting but also a little scary because we’re living longer, healthier, happier, fitter, which is the good news. But then it’s like, what about our bank accounts? [laughs] Are they as fit and fat as they should be for this next phase of life? So, you’re right, that’s also sort of a little bit of a premise of this show, you are going to be living longer, what are you doing with your time? How are you spending it? How are you thriving? How are you creating that next act? Is this something that you’ve explored at all with TueNight?

Margit [16:32]:
Yeah, I would say definitely, I think also the financial aspect of it, how do you continue to sort of generate income. Maybe not as much… I actually just took a little note as we were talking. I was like, yeah, I need to do more on the financial. [Katie laughs] Because we do, but it’s a weird…money is one of those weird topics to generate storytelling from, do you know what I mean? It’s a little bit sensitive. But I think what we sort of just hit upon is a good angle, like, what are the ways that we think about generating income as we get older? Creative ways and besides the obvious of investment…

Katie [17:15]:
Yeah, exactly. It’s funny. I’ve had a couple of finance pros on the show, and I always learn so much because this is really a weak spot for me.

Margit [17:25]:
Me too.

Katie [17:25]:
It’s an area that I like to ignore and I’m not that into. But I have promised myself I’m going to get better. So, I actually ordered a product that a guest on this show developed, it’s called The Money Date Box. And you have money dates with yourself around very core areas: budgeting, cash flow, retirement, investing and it’s useful! I’m slowly plugging my way through it. But what I’ve noticed for myself is that when I have shows on finance, they perform well but not great. And I think it’s because honestly, I think if people are super interested in finance, they’re listening to finance podcasts, they’re in deep into the weeds. Here, people are looking for more general content. So, I’m just throwing that out there for you, but I’d be curious to hear from our listeners, are they inspired by hearing about people who have started reinventing careers or starting new businesses? Because those shows I think, do really well. People are excited about seeing examples of women who are on that third, fourth, fifth act because that provides the inspiration.

I had a wonderful guest who actually… not a guest, a listener, who invited me out to speak to her organization and she shared with me that she and her sister have co-launched a business, based in part on their inspiration from the podcast which was so moving to me, that they’ve heard enough stories from the women who come on this show to realize, “Hey, I could be that woman who comes on the show and reinvents.”

Margit [18:56]:
I love that. That is the best, right. When the stories or the podcast inspire someone to take action. It’s the greatest, that’s awesome.

Katie [19:06]:
So I’m curious, I also had Eve Rodsky on recently and she talked about her new book Find your Unicorn Space, which was terrific, and about this notion of finding a creative outlet, something that really energizes you completely that you immerse yourself in, and that’s sort of your passion. Podcasting has been that for me. I know that storytelling and Gen X conversations are that for you. But for both of us, all of a sudden, these have turned into businesses. I have sponsors, which is wonderful, but it also requires a different lens that I approach the show with. So, I’m curious for you, TueNight is a passion but also a job. What had you learned about running this business? What, if anything would you do differently from when you started?

Margit [19:51]:
Oh my gosh, that’s such a good question. [laughs]

Katie [19:53]:
It’s a hard one though. [laughs]

Margit [19:54]:
Yeah, it’s hard. What would I do differently? You know, it’s funny because totally transparency here for your audience. As I mentioned, we just relaunched our community onto a new platform, Substack; we were on Mighty Networks, which is a great platform for so many reasons. But it’s funny because two years ago… Well, we started on Substack about three years ago and like, maybe two years ago that I was like, “You know what, Substack is adding all these cool community things, maybe I should turn that on, and we’ll do that.” I was really, really excited by Mighty Networks too, so I went and tried that. It just didn’t quite work out for us in the way we were planning, it’s just the nature of what we do.

So, I was like, “If I had only just done that on Substack two years ago, I wouldn’t be here.” But you know what? You kind of have to go through those things, you have to learn what is working for you, and what does and doesn’t work for you. To answer your question, that was a long-winded way, and this is part of being older, we have so much experience and that experience is so valuable, and I don’t know that I would do anything differently, I don’t know that I would trade it in because it really helps me make an informed decision. So, I don’t know if that’s a cop-out.

Katie [21:28]:
No, no, no it’s a good answer. What I’m hearing from you is that you have to be open to evolving and pivoting and sometimes, what you could, on the one hand, characterize as a mistake, like, “Oh I wish I hadn’t done Mighty Networks, that was a detour,” really was a learning moment. You had to do it in order to learn, you know what, I’d rather be back on this other platform, and I need to pick up and move back. I think that honestly, this notion of reframing the experiences that we have is something that you can really only do when you have some experience underneath your belt, and it allows you to have that resilience that you need to keep moving as somebody is getting older but also answer an entrepreneur.

I think this is why being an entrepreneur in midlife is so powerful because you have all this wisdom. Even if your wisdom actually looked like a big mistake, [Margit laughs] now we get to call it wisdom and experience and we’ve earned it. We can use it and apply it to entirely new situations. So, what do you want to see TueNight evolve to next if you’re continuing to pivot and grow? What would be a dream for the platform and the community?

Margit [22:43]:
Yeah, you know, I think the dream is just to get more women excited about having these conversations and just grow our audience. I’d like to be able to personally make it, you know, as I said, it started as a hobby, I think making it more sustainable and you know, we have always paid our writers, but having these subscriptions helps us to pay the writers and not just me paying out my pocket or whatever. I think really making this business one that can grow, can thrive, can expand so that these conversations get out there.

I would love to also do more events. Everybody says it’s their favorite part of what we do are these live storytelling events. They take a lot of work, they take a lot of time and money. The growth of our community will help us to do more of those. So, that’s what I really hope and see. And then personally, I’m actually hoping to work on a book soon. I can't say what it’s about but yeah, it is tied into many of the themes of what we’re talking about here around age and wisdom.

Katie [23:59]:

Nice, I love that. I would love to work on a book as well, that’s sort of my future unicorn space that I want to be in because I love telling people’s stories and I want to share them on another platform. And by the way, when you write that book, please come back on the show and talk about it because we love having authors on.

Margit [24:15]:
Oh yes!

Katie [24:16]:
You talk about TueNight being a community and being a conversation. I don’t know if it’s because I’m now doing this show, or because I’m at this age, but I feel like midlife has like almost become trendy, which sounds weird. I mean, maybe I’m overstating it, but you look at menopause for example, it’s suddenly super buzzy. You’ve got Gwyneth Paltrow investing in menopause companies, it’s just an enormously hot market--that pun is intended--menopause is hot, midlife is hot, we all know it’s hot. What’s your take on why? Is it just because we’re currently in this space? Or is it because pop culture is finally, finally waking up to the fact that people are over the age of 18?

Margit [25:00]:
I think it’s all of those things. I think it’s, you know like we talked about, population getting older, I think Gen X-ers in particular, who are the folks that you just mentioned, Gwyneth Paltrow. I think we are a generation of rule busters, a little bit DIY, a little bit punk rock, a little bit edgier. And I think…

Katie [25:29]:

We’re not going quietly. We’re not going to be quiet.

Margit [25:31]:
No, we’re not going to be quiet! We’re like, “Wait, what’s happening to me? What’s going on? You’re not taking me seriously anymore? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We’re not being paid the same? Wait a minute!” So, I think we’ve been a little bit like, hold on, we need to change this narrative and we need to, you know, especially around menopause I think too… One thing that I like to say about TueNight is we are all really more than menopause and also, you know, women over 40 are more than menopause. It’s one aspect, but we also really have to change the way that people talk about it, make it not such a taboo, and make it, you know, doctors need to be more menopause knowledgeable, primary care doctors, when they talk to their female patients. There’s so much work to be done and there are some really amazing organizations who are doing it. So, I think it’s just a combination of things in the zeitgeist and I think just the power of our particular generation of women who aren’t going to take it. [both laugh] To quote Dee Snider, “We’re not going to take it.”

Katie [26:46]:
That’s so funny. So, Gen-X is loud. So, who are some of the voices that you think are worth listening to in this space? Who are having the conversations that you feel are authentic and really get midlife? I’m curious.

Margit [27:04]:
Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, there’s a lot, you probably know all of them obviously. You’re one of them, of course. But I would also say, Stacy London is a great person; she’s been doing so much work with State of Menopause and her company, and she has great conversations on Instagram. I would say Nina Lorez Collins is another one who does Revel. I would add Omisade Burney-Scott, who does Black Girl’s Guide to Menopause. Gosh… I mean, I could go on. There are so many amazing women who are doing things in the space and have really insightful things to talk about. Alessandra Henderson from Elektra Health.

Katie [27:52]:
I’ve had the great pleasure of having Nina Lorez Collins on this show. She was wonderful and then I got to attend an event that she co-hosted with Kindra, another sponsor, and Stacy London spoke at that and talked about her own menopause experience, and why she bought the company. I would adore to have her on the show as well as Omisade– am I pronouncing her name correctly?

Margit [28:15]:
Omisade.

Katie [28:16]:
Omisade. Because I follow her on Instagram, she has amazing content and a phenomenal voice, and such a warm and open style of communicating. So, I’ll put all of those women into the show notes. It’s funny I actually had a guest on recently, Stephanie O’Dell from the over 50 modeling agency called Celebrate the Gray and when I aired it, somebody on Instagram said, “I’m so happy to see women who are celebrating and promoting women over a certain age who have gray hair, silver hair, white hair because I’m tired of not feeling seen.” So, for anyone who is listening right now who is feeling like, I don’t feel really seen, the three names that you just shared are people you should be following because you are going to feel like you are represented in this conversation, and you’ll be excited about hearing their take on menopause and midlife and advocacy for better healthcare for us all as we navigate this space. I absolutely love that.

Margit, I’m curious. You launched TueNight, which obviously focuses on Gen X women and storytelling, you did this at midlife. But I wanted to know if you would have been able to do this type of business, leaving aside the content, at your younger age. What role did being older, being experienced, being in midlife, play in your success and recognizing that you were ready to be in charge of your own company?

Margit [29:54]:
Yeah. I would say, certainly, the experience of having, you know, a few decades' worth of journalistic experience, management experience. Quite frankly I had a significant layoff in the year 2008, with a whole lot of other people and it was a moment for me, a crossroads where I said, what do I want to do next? Do I want to just take another full-time job? Or is there more for me? So, you know, I think at that moment is when I started my consulting, content strategy business and I sort of surprised myself and took all the years of experience that I had managing editorial teams and was able to replicate that into my own agency.

So that, for me, was the precursor to doing TueNight. But I think the reason I did TueNight was I still felt like, even working and doing content for other people I felt, you know what, I have a voice, I know that I can kind of create something of my own, with all this experience under my belt that would fit an important niche, these conversations that aren’t being talked about. So, yeah, I don’t think I could have done this in my twenties, for sure.

Katie [31:19]:
I absolutely love that you said you surprised yourself and that you gave yourself permission to take all of your experience and your skills and create your own thing because that is also a big theme of this show: women just giving themselves to get after whatever it is that they want to be doing. I’ve had lawyers become novelists; stay-at-home moms launch multimillion-dollar events businesses. I’ve had people shift careers when they’ve said to themselves, why not me? Why can't I go for it? I love that that also informed your own journey into entrepreneurial life. Super cool. Thank you for sharing that.

Margit [31:59]:
Of course.

Katie [31:59]:

We are about to wrap our show, but I want to head into a quick speed round before I let you go, if you’re ready.

Margit [32:06]:

Oh, I’m ready.

Katie [32:06]:
Okay good. [laughs]

Margit [32:09]:

I say that now. [both laugh]

Katie [32:10]:

Exactly, there was a slight something going on with that. This is super easy and super fun. It’s one- or two-word answers to complete this thought. So, creating the TueNight platform is _____.

Margit [32:27]:

Thrilling.

Katie [32:28]:

I could talk about this midlife topic again and again _____.

Margit [32:34]:

Relationships and how we navigate them, whether they’re friend– Sorry that’s not one word!

Katie [32:39]:

No! that’s okay.

Margit [32:39]:

Relationships, we’ll keep it there.

Katie [32:41]:

We’ll keep it tight. Okay, nice. If I never have to talk about this midlife topic again, I’d be thrilled _____.

Margit [32:47]:

[laughs] Death. [Katie laughs] Looking forward to death, how you plan for it. It’s so important but it’s like, no.

Katie [32:57]:

Ugh, I feel you. My younger self would be surprised to find that this is part of my midlife day-to-day _____.

Margit [33:07]:

Leadership. Just that I’m in charge and doing my thing, you know?

Katie [33:12]:

Nice. TueNight has the tagline, “Just getting started.” What’s the last new thing you tried?

Margit [33:20]:

Ohh…. Boy…. My gosh…. What is the last new thing I tried? Uh oh, hitting a sore spot. [both laugh]

Katie [33:34]:

You’re busy running two jobs.

Margit [33:37]:

I know. I know, I know, I know, I know. Probably going to be some sort of delicious food item because my husband and I are always out trying new things.

Katie [33:47]:

Trying new things, that works! That totally works. So, when you come back after you’ve done your book, you’re going to have an answer for that one.

Margit [33:53]:

I will. That’s an important one to ask too.

Katie [33:57]:

I love it. So, this one is going to be easy. Your one-word answer to complete this sentence: As I age, I feel _____.

Margit [34:06]:

Empowered.

Katie [34:07]:

Nice. Thank you this has been so much fun! I love getting to talk with the woman behind my Tuesday happy email newsletter. So, I want everyone to hit up Margit, head to tuenight.com, add this newsletter to your rotation, you’re going to love it. Where can our listeners find TueNight?

Margit [34:28]:

Yes, we are on all platforms as @TueNight, on all social platforms. We are tuenight.com and we are The TueNight Social on Substack.

Katie [34:40]:

Thank you so much Margit, this was fun.

Margit [34:42]:

Thank you, I had a great time.

Katie [34:44]:
This wraps A Certain Age, a show for women who are aging without apology. Join me next Monday when I talk with travel expert Suzanne Stavert of the web platform Adventures of Empty Nesters who shares ideas for exploring the world and reigniting your own life as your children grow and leave the nest.

Special thanks to Michael Mancini who composed and produced our theme music. See you next time and until then: age boldly, beauties.

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